8/25/2011

DT Noise Rules

Posted by MJ

The Buffalo News reported that the council is discussing the possible change of noise rules for DT.

The Common Council wants a quieter downtown area late at night.
Although no vote is scheduled until the Sept. 7 Council meeting, the aldermen decided at a work session Wednesday that they want to alter the city noise ordinance to curtail outdoor music.

At the moment, the city noise ordinance doesn’t apply in the downtown area until 2 a. m.
Some bars, including Lock 34 Bar & Grille, formerly Taboo on Main Street at Ulrich City Centre, have been offering live bands outdoors until 2 a. m. or even later.
The Council wants to prohibit outdoor music after 11 p. m. Sunday through Thursday and after 1 a. m. Friday and Saturday nights...
 I feel the proposed changes are a fair balance of "seize the summer" outdoor noise and residential concerns. If we had more facades that could open up to the outside it would be much easier to enclose the noise once the magic hour hit without having to move everything.


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29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Talk about noise polution.What are they gonna do about motorcycles who rev them up to go from one point to the other just to make sure there motors be heard.
Also this is coming to a police state .The city of lockport has become just one step from making it impossible to walk down the street at night.Right now if you are a law abiding citizen and you are walking down the street you can be questioned just for walking.God forbid you dont show ID because now you are obstructing govermental addministration giving them the reason to pull you down town and get there court surcharge just for walking without doing anything wrong.Or get a lawyer and feed the system.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again...it's "the man" holding me down!

It sounds like a good compromise to me. As the Anonymous poster jokingly stated above, there is noise from all over the city. While were at it let's get the inconsiderate boom-cars under control.I don't think the indiscriminant stopping of people walking is right, but that's another topic.

If you're offering live music then take it indoors.

Anonymous said...

MJ once again we prove we are a 'small town' and not a city.

Anonymous said...

Lockport has been well under 25,000 residents for quite a number of years. I think it is high time that Lockport officially reverts back to calling itself a village. At least that would reflect reality, and not be so pompous!

Moe said...

I hope the council votes the way stated. It sounds like a good compromise. As far as all the other noise in and around the city, some is expected, but a lot of it is unnecessary. The boys on their "Crotch Rockets" going down the streets at 60-70 MPH, the Harley guys who can't resist cranking it up ( like anybody cares?) and the loud bass from cars, is just a by product of an inconsiderate number of people who live here and couldn't give two S--ts about anybody but themselves. The cops don't see to do much about any of the noise unless you are stationary.

You want people to stay hear and not move away? Start by improving the quality of life, and that means controlling some of the unnecessary noise.

Patti said...

I get a LOT of traffic noise as anyone who knows where I live can imagine. Sometimes it wakes me up! (See motorcycles, above). Fortunately, BIG trucks aren't supposed to be on my street - think ambulances, too.
I do hear the loud music from Taboo, or whatever it's called now, but I'm far enough away that those times are few and far between. I'm thinking 2:00 am for them and other venues which are far from any homes is just fine.
Sure I'd like the Police to crack down on the motorcycles and idiots whose automobile sound systems are worth more than their cars - but they do have many more important things to do, you know.

Patti said...

P.S. As to this being a "village" - that's just a further slam on our city. Yes, the population has dropped significantly in the last 30 years, but we are incorporated as a city.
I grew up in the Village of Williamsville - the restrictions there are downright ridiculous! They were 40 years ago - and now they're worse!

Anonymous said...

and if you ask most people if they would rather live in Williamsville or Lockport, where do they tell you they would rather be?

Anonymous said...

the police have an obligation to uphold the law ( I believe they take an oath.) It's not up to them to pick and choose what laws are more important. If we need more police then hire more police. It sounds like the same excuse the city uses about enforcing the nuance housing laws.

Anonymous said...

Excellent point! WILLIAMSVILLE

Anonymous said...

Lockport, New York has lost over 5,000 people, since 1960. Every decade more people leave. As the businesses leave, so, too, do the people. We need to spend less on public services, like: police, social services, city government, and fire, which are very expensive due to the unions.

Patti said...

I'd prefer to live in the Village of Williamsville!
But my life has been here for over 20 years and all my friends & family IN Williamsville are either dead or left the area years ago.
Now Longboat Key? In a NY minute!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1:55 you have that backward. I lived in East Amherst in the 90's once the people came THEN the business come to them. Not everyone need strip malls 500 yards from their home.

Nice how you mixed all of those other issues in there: unions, social services, size of government.

Thinking of leaving?

Liz said...

You know what? I'd rather live in Lockport. Sure, the commute would be much easier in Williamsville, but there's not a chance I'd be able to buy the house I have here or have the amount of land I have here in Williamsville. The taxes here SUCK, but they suck in Williamsville too.

I'm not from here. I moved here three years ago. This city DOES have something going for it. It was enough for me to move here. It just needs to be "tweaked" a bit.

The only reason I'd rather be in Williamsville is location. I hate the commute from Lockport, but the only way to change that would be to toss a commuter train on those tracks to downtown Buffalo and we know that isn't happening in our lifetime unfortunately. If it did, I'd probably never leave here.

Patti said...

Please understand that I would NOT want to live in Williamsville NOW! I HATE going there. The traffic, the people, the developments (like in East Amherst) have wrecked the place. I grew up in the Village of Williamsville in the '60's - '70's and, back then, on a Sunday, you could shoot a cannon down Main Street and you wouldn't hit a darn thing! I worked in a drug store on Main Street and, on Sundays (10:00-2:00) we had two "rushes" when SS. Peter & Paul let out. It was rare when we had more than two people in the place. Any day, any time.
I did the Buffalo commute for a year after we moved here. My ex was not pleased when I quit the big firm 'cause I saw my little boy in the car, shoved food down his throat (not really), bathed him, put him to bed (tried to) then pulled out my briefcase to work at home. (My ex refused to "help" and was never home anyway. It was much more pleasant when he wasn't.)
I LOVE Lockport and will not leave unless obama gets this economy straightened out and I can still afford to live here. I LOVE LOCKPORT!!

Anonymous said...

me too, but it's too noisy as stated above by several commentators.

MJ said...

Village, city, etc. As I mentioned before I'm usually referring to a place designed around people and not designed around the storage of their vehicles.

Williamsville is great. The sad part is that route 5 (Main St) was sacrificed to commuters making it hectic and not the most comfortable place to cross the street. When one place maxes out on affordability it opens up the doors for other under developed places to grow.

I agree on the general noise violation enforcement. Some people can be picky but there are obvious situations of revving your motor for no good reason, etc. It should be a good source of income for the police dept. I catch some references to it being enforced in the blotter.

GI Joe said...

If you really want a "liveable" City, East Ave. needs to be closed and a pedestrian "mall" is the way to go. Move the traffic one block south past Harrison place. I don't see anyone with the vision, or the "stones" to pull that one off.

Anonymous said...

GI Joe, please tell me you're joking. We've seen how well that's worked for downtown Buffalo.

MJ said...

Any pedestrian mall needs some real density to pull it off. NYC has found some success closing parts of Broadway.

Without the residential density the foot traffic usually starts at the parking lot and heads directly to the store of choice leaving the pedestrian mall empty. Any mall would require an influx of residential development right DT.

I'd even like the "pedestrian mall" of canal street removed to get some traffic and activity passing in front of the storefronts over there.

MJ said...

cleaned up

Patti said...

MJ - the only road I really avoid is Main Street (Route 5) in Williamsville. The rest of the time I'm usually able to navigate the place 'cause I know all the shortcuts. The Village is less than 1.5 square miles. First - "Williamsville" ended at Sheridan Drive, then Maple. NOW? Millersport Highway. Crazy. You can't go home again - it's no longer there.

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Anonymous said...

I would like to know why people in the world choose to be ignorant to their neighbors. My neighbor is sitting outside his house with his stereo blaring so loud that is impossible for me to even watch TV. He is supposedly a veteran but I doubt it. I think he's a toy soldier on a power trip. I don't want to call the police cause they will just turn it up louder after they are gone. I'm all about a party but seriously I don't even want to be home anymore. I cant even enjoy any unwind time. All I know is karma is a ............haha

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